Post by flame3169118 on Nov 17, 2023 10:29:44 GMT -5
Metalik took to twitter to react to the reports that he refused to lose to Kommander:
“I have never refused to lose to anyone. This is business and I have been in the best companies for a reason. But my career has cost me. Komander is one of the young men whom I respect, he is a good boy, things are not as mentioned at this point, I am not interested in explaining.”
Now you would think that would be the end of the story right there, however you'd be wrong as Rob Viper who is a fan out of Toronto that fell in love with wrestling (specifically Lucha Libre) he took a shot at it, it didn't work out, he worked for highspots for many years & was influential to PWG bringing in Lucha talent, the Lucha stars even come to him for business advice sometimes, basically he's a well connected guy when it comes to Lucha. Anyway this may shed some light on what happened to Metalik & how his time in WWE changed him and not for the better:
Metalik spent over a decade working for CMLL before the Cruiserweight Classic. In July he returned to CMLL for the first time in 6 years, 2 weeks later he posted that he would no longer be working with CMLL that they weren't able to reach a deal, then in August Metalik did an interview & Rob Viper had a lot to say about it:
Big thing that is very clear is Metalik expected to return to Mexico as a bigger deal that he was received. This was a blow to his ego. He returned on a show that was honoring Atlantis, had two title matches, a tournament final & a double hair match. His return was inconsequential.
He can definitely blame CMLL for that. But the reality is nobody viewed him as a big deal. I know people who attend Arena Mexico weekly (multiple times). They said the current fanbase (tourists + regulars) just don't know him.
You have to remember Metalik/Mascara Dorada was never a top guy. He was never a candidate to main event an Anniversary. He was a cog in the CMLL wheel. One that we loved. Don't get me wrong. Prime Mascara Dorada was must-see every week. But in terms of star power, he was not one.
The other thing about Metalik is he never had much charisma. That was one major worry about him going to WWE. He got over doing spectacular things. Once they stripped away the spectacular things, you had an unspectacular guy with no charisma. They broke him. As expected.
The second big takeaway is how he was fine with a new Mascara Dorada. His real issue is how he clearly felt upstaged by Dorada 2.0 in his return match. He takes many shots at him in the interview & even before this all came out I had heard similar things from folks in CMLL.
One person noted to me "the guy nicknamed Rey de las Cuerdas (That translates to King of the Ropes for those that don't know) is trying to tell me to stop doing rope tricks". The two ways of looking at this are WWE broke him so bad that he actually believes working slow is the better way. I'm told this is 100% true. He feels this way now.
The other way is the wrestler way. Metalik wanted the CMLL wrestlers to work slower, cut out rope tricks, limit how much they do per match so that *he* could shine without having to work harder to keep up. I watched every CMLL match of his. I know my opinion. You decide yourself.
My third takeaway is why I feel CMLL cut bait immediately after that first run. He plays dumb in the interview... but he also casually mentions making in 3 matches what he makes for 1 US match. That's still a lot of money by CMLL standards.
If you combine both the non-reaction to his return as well as his work during those 2 weeks - it seems like CMLL quickly realized this guy was not worth the $. CMLL has tons of depth now. They could get the same (or more) out of 20+ guys in his spot for 1/2 the price. No-brainer.
It also probably didn't help his case that he rubbed a few people the wrong way with his better than you attitude (lecturing wrestlers on how to work). Especially when one of those guys is the one CMLL has currently chosen to get behind as their big young star.
The entire interview is absoutely wild to me because this Metalik is not at all the same person he used to be. I don't claim to know the man well personally at all but in all my interactions with him pre-2023 he was a very humble, quiet & appreciative guy.
I heard stories of friends of his trying to get him to badmouth CMLL in private & he wouldn't even do that. Every response was always "Thanks to god & CMLL I am where I am today." Not a cross word. His life goal was to return to CMLL as the conquering hero post-WWE run.
So to now see a public interview where he takes shots at CMLL and wrestlers who are at the stage of their own career where he once was... it's both shocking & sad. It may be reflective of the company he is keeping these days on the indies. He's being steered in a certain direction.
Even in his WWE days he was always known as the follower. Whatever his partners told him to do, he did. Even when it came time to leave. The last thing Metalik should have done (while waiting for papers!) was leave! But he followed even though it put him in limbo for 18 months.
During those 18 months *where he was barely working* I heard many instances where he turned down work as to not be on events with AAA wrestlers. That's how loyal he was to CMLL. Imagine turning down work as to not anger a company... that doesn't even employ you.
Personally I thought he was being dumb but I at least understood his mindset. His end goal was an Arena Mexico return. He didn't want to jeopardize that. Sure enough he eventually had to cave b/c he was stuck in the US & needed to work. So he took the matches with Daga & Taurus.
Then we had the GCW incident which isn't my story to tell so I won't. It was unprofessionalism at it's finest. In one sense I kind of want someone to tell the story (since he'll never work there again) not to shame him but teach a lesson to others on how NOT to conduct yourself.
I am big time not a fan of when wrestlers play dumb in public knowing full well their action have consequences (eg: Andrade saying he can't understand why he was blocked from Forbidden Door).
Metalik is booked with the Lucha House Party in Chicago on the 24th w/ AAA talent.
You can't do a 30 min interview claiming you don't know why CMLL might be angry with you without mentioning that. Cut the shit out. The other two may be able to get away with it b/c they are foreigners. You are a Mexican. Homegrown CMLL. You know the rules. Stop playing ignorant.
I don't know what the future holds for the guy. He manages to have weak matches with both Gringo Loco & Vikingo. How is that even possible? I've been less than impressed with all his AEW work but he keeps returning so clearly Tony Khan likes him. That's all that matters right now.
Long term I worry for him after this interview. The AEW dates may run out at some point. He's not returning to NJPW now that he's on CMLL's shitlist. WWE is not going to come calling. AAA can't offer regular work nor will their work pay the bills. He's really limiting himself.
Mascara Dorada is in my top 5 fav wrestlers ever. Always wanted to work w/ him one day too but it wasn't meant to be. I also don't live in the past. I have very little time for the Metalik of today either inside or outside the ring. I wish him well. Just sad how it's turned out.
One other thing: Metalik didn't attempt to learn more the most basic English in his 5 years working for WWE.
I believe non-English speakers can succeed in American pro wrestling. But WWE is it's own animal. If you sign up for it, you play under their rules. English is required.
You are far more likely to succeed if you learn the language. No Mexican who has ever worked in WWE would disagree w/ the statement.
The fact Metalik went his entire run thinking that rule didn't apply to him, even with a family having migrated to the US, says a lot. None of it good.
So that's a whole lot to take in, but after the news came out about what happened about refusing to lose, Rob Viper went back to Twitter & posted the following:
There are 2 types of people who get released from WWE after spending years doing nothing:
1) Those who have something to prove either to themselves or their former company.
2) Those who believe they made it to the big show & anything/anyone else is beneath them now.
I think it's fairly obvious Metalik should be in category #1 but he has very clearly positioned himself in category #2.
And again... it goes directly to the company he keeps. The ones in his ear. Metalik is a born follower & unfortunately he's following the wrong people now.
Hopefully someone can get through to him & have "the talk". Explain how his 4 years in WWE meant nothing outside of his bank account. He's not even 2017 Metalik any longer. He's pre-NJPW Metalik. He's gotta build his name up once again & find what made him special in the ring.
If the latest story out there is true* - Tony absolutely cannnot have him back in that locker room w/o losing face with all the Mexican talent. It cannot be acceptable for someone at Metalik's level to be dictating wins & losses. If he gets away with it, it's open season for the rest.
I believe the story to be true b/c it continues Metalik's established pattern. 2 stories are out publicly now but there have been 3 incidents where he's refused to be a professional.
It's sad. There was a time where this was the last guy in the world you'd expect this from.
“I have never refused to lose to anyone. This is business and I have been in the best companies for a reason. But my career has cost me. Komander is one of the young men whom I respect, he is a good boy, things are not as mentioned at this point, I am not interested in explaining.”
Now you would think that would be the end of the story right there, however you'd be wrong as Rob Viper who is a fan out of Toronto that fell in love with wrestling (specifically Lucha Libre) he took a shot at it, it didn't work out, he worked for highspots for many years & was influential to PWG bringing in Lucha talent, the Lucha stars even come to him for business advice sometimes, basically he's a well connected guy when it comes to Lucha. Anyway this may shed some light on what happened to Metalik & how his time in WWE changed him and not for the better:
Metalik spent over a decade working for CMLL before the Cruiserweight Classic. In July he returned to CMLL for the first time in 6 years, 2 weeks later he posted that he would no longer be working with CMLL that they weren't able to reach a deal, then in August Metalik did an interview & Rob Viper had a lot to say about it:
Big thing that is very clear is Metalik expected to return to Mexico as a bigger deal that he was received. This was a blow to his ego. He returned on a show that was honoring Atlantis, had two title matches, a tournament final & a double hair match. His return was inconsequential.
He can definitely blame CMLL for that. But the reality is nobody viewed him as a big deal. I know people who attend Arena Mexico weekly (multiple times). They said the current fanbase (tourists + regulars) just don't know him.
You have to remember Metalik/Mascara Dorada was never a top guy. He was never a candidate to main event an Anniversary. He was a cog in the CMLL wheel. One that we loved. Don't get me wrong. Prime Mascara Dorada was must-see every week. But in terms of star power, he was not one.
The other thing about Metalik is he never had much charisma. That was one major worry about him going to WWE. He got over doing spectacular things. Once they stripped away the spectacular things, you had an unspectacular guy with no charisma. They broke him. As expected.
The second big takeaway is how he was fine with a new Mascara Dorada. His real issue is how he clearly felt upstaged by Dorada 2.0 in his return match. He takes many shots at him in the interview & even before this all came out I had heard similar things from folks in CMLL.
One person noted to me "the guy nicknamed Rey de las Cuerdas (That translates to King of the Ropes for those that don't know) is trying to tell me to stop doing rope tricks". The two ways of looking at this are WWE broke him so bad that he actually believes working slow is the better way. I'm told this is 100% true. He feels this way now.
The other way is the wrestler way. Metalik wanted the CMLL wrestlers to work slower, cut out rope tricks, limit how much they do per match so that *he* could shine without having to work harder to keep up. I watched every CMLL match of his. I know my opinion. You decide yourself.
My third takeaway is why I feel CMLL cut bait immediately after that first run. He plays dumb in the interview... but he also casually mentions making in 3 matches what he makes for 1 US match. That's still a lot of money by CMLL standards.
If you combine both the non-reaction to his return as well as his work during those 2 weeks - it seems like CMLL quickly realized this guy was not worth the $. CMLL has tons of depth now. They could get the same (or more) out of 20+ guys in his spot for 1/2 the price. No-brainer.
It also probably didn't help his case that he rubbed a few people the wrong way with his better than you attitude (lecturing wrestlers on how to work). Especially when one of those guys is the one CMLL has currently chosen to get behind as their big young star.
The entire interview is absoutely wild to me because this Metalik is not at all the same person he used to be. I don't claim to know the man well personally at all but in all my interactions with him pre-2023 he was a very humble, quiet & appreciative guy.
I heard stories of friends of his trying to get him to badmouth CMLL in private & he wouldn't even do that. Every response was always "Thanks to god & CMLL I am where I am today." Not a cross word. His life goal was to return to CMLL as the conquering hero post-WWE run.
So to now see a public interview where he takes shots at CMLL and wrestlers who are at the stage of their own career where he once was... it's both shocking & sad. It may be reflective of the company he is keeping these days on the indies. He's being steered in a certain direction.
Even in his WWE days he was always known as the follower. Whatever his partners told him to do, he did. Even when it came time to leave. The last thing Metalik should have done (while waiting for papers!) was leave! But he followed even though it put him in limbo for 18 months.
During those 18 months *where he was barely working* I heard many instances where he turned down work as to not be on events with AAA wrestlers. That's how loyal he was to CMLL. Imagine turning down work as to not anger a company... that doesn't even employ you.
Personally I thought he was being dumb but I at least understood his mindset. His end goal was an Arena Mexico return. He didn't want to jeopardize that. Sure enough he eventually had to cave b/c he was stuck in the US & needed to work. So he took the matches with Daga & Taurus.
Then we had the GCW incident which isn't my story to tell so I won't. It was unprofessionalism at it's finest. In one sense I kind of want someone to tell the story (since he'll never work there again) not to shame him but teach a lesson to others on how NOT to conduct yourself.
I am big time not a fan of when wrestlers play dumb in public knowing full well their action have consequences (eg: Andrade saying he can't understand why he was blocked from Forbidden Door).
Metalik is booked with the Lucha House Party in Chicago on the 24th w/ AAA talent.
You can't do a 30 min interview claiming you don't know why CMLL might be angry with you without mentioning that. Cut the shit out. The other two may be able to get away with it b/c they are foreigners. You are a Mexican. Homegrown CMLL. You know the rules. Stop playing ignorant.
I don't know what the future holds for the guy. He manages to have weak matches with both Gringo Loco & Vikingo. How is that even possible? I've been less than impressed with all his AEW work but he keeps returning so clearly Tony Khan likes him. That's all that matters right now.
Long term I worry for him after this interview. The AEW dates may run out at some point. He's not returning to NJPW now that he's on CMLL's shitlist. WWE is not going to come calling. AAA can't offer regular work nor will their work pay the bills. He's really limiting himself.
Mascara Dorada is in my top 5 fav wrestlers ever. Always wanted to work w/ him one day too but it wasn't meant to be. I also don't live in the past. I have very little time for the Metalik of today either inside or outside the ring. I wish him well. Just sad how it's turned out.
One other thing: Metalik didn't attempt to learn more the most basic English in his 5 years working for WWE.
I believe non-English speakers can succeed in American pro wrestling. But WWE is it's own animal. If you sign up for it, you play under their rules. English is required.
You are far more likely to succeed if you learn the language. No Mexican who has ever worked in WWE would disagree w/ the statement.
The fact Metalik went his entire run thinking that rule didn't apply to him, even with a family having migrated to the US, says a lot. None of it good.
So that's a whole lot to take in, but after the news came out about what happened about refusing to lose, Rob Viper went back to Twitter & posted the following:
There are 2 types of people who get released from WWE after spending years doing nothing:
1) Those who have something to prove either to themselves or their former company.
2) Those who believe they made it to the big show & anything/anyone else is beneath them now.
I think it's fairly obvious Metalik should be in category #1 but he has very clearly positioned himself in category #2.
And again... it goes directly to the company he keeps. The ones in his ear. Metalik is a born follower & unfortunately he's following the wrong people now.
Hopefully someone can get through to him & have "the talk". Explain how his 4 years in WWE meant nothing outside of his bank account. He's not even 2017 Metalik any longer. He's pre-NJPW Metalik. He's gotta build his name up once again & find what made him special in the ring.
If the latest story out there is true* - Tony absolutely cannnot have him back in that locker room w/o losing face with all the Mexican talent. It cannot be acceptable for someone at Metalik's level to be dictating wins & losses. If he gets away with it, it's open season for the rest.
I believe the story to be true b/c it continues Metalik's established pattern. 2 stories are out publicly now but there have been 3 incidents where he's refused to be a professional.
It's sad. There was a time where this was the last guy in the world you'd expect this from.
